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Devs Blindsided by LLM Token Bills

Developers are struggling to control and predict costs associated with Large Language Model (LLM) usage. Unexpected bills, lack of cost visibility, and the rising price of tokens are creating significant operational and financial strain, leading to the creation of monitoring and cost estimation tools.

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So we are currently using Ali Baba PAI (Platform for AI) to deploy LLM model. Now we want to switch from their platform to another provider. What are the best options here, our main concern is that they should have middle east region, data security(as…

r/LocalLLaMA11h ago

Thanks for the insight! I'm in a hurry this week and couldn't think and implement none of the tips yet, but your response helped me a lot by getting my ideas straight

r/legaltech1d ago

Disclosure: I’m building an LLM router, and I’ve been trying to answer a pretty simple question: does complexity-based routing actually save money once you test it against real APIs? I ran the same 100 questions through 9 providers — 900 API calls in total — and tracked which model the router picked, what that choice cost, and what happened to latency. The numbers were quite different depending on the provider: DeepSeek: 88.3% savings Qwen: 86.3% OpenAI: 84.9% Azure OpenAI: 84.9% Google: 84.4% A

r/mlops1d ago

💡 Feature Proposal: Expand Zero Cost Fallback Providers & Deterministic Lexicon Engines for Unprivileged API Tier 📌 Context & Motivation Following the implementation of User Authentication & Access Control (Issue 40) , incoming REST API and MCP Server callers with \asic\ (unprivileged) API keys are routed to zero token fallback providers to protect Google Gemini 2.5 Flash API tokens and Finlight quota from exhaustion. To maintain high forecasting precision for basic tier users without incurri

GITHUB1d ago

Context: At work, we’re getting ready to stress-test a chatbot for scalability.One fairly obvious issue came up: if our load tests exercise the real OpenAI/Claude APIs, a scalability test can quickly turn into a token-spending test.Fair enough. We shouldn’t burn real inference just to test whether our own gateways, queues, WebSockets, streaming paths, retries, etc. can handle load.The proposed solution was to mock all communication between our backend and the LLM provider.Also reasonable.What su

HN1d ago

We used multiple LLM providers from different clouds: Google, Azure, and AWS. Every app and project had its own API key. We could not see which key belonged to which application. We also had no clear view of token usage and tracking. Later, finance asked which product spent a lot of money. We could not answer. This was a work problem. I did not plan to build a product. First I tried LiteLLM. It is a good tool if you need many model providers. We did not need that many. We needed the real key to

r/selfhosted2d ago

Are you tracing the LLM calls today, or mostly looking at the provider bill after the fact? Also, what kind of context are you feeding into each request? Full conversation/history, retrieved chunks, large documents, tool outputs, etc.? I’d probably want to see that before assuming the biggest lever is model switching. A lot of cost can hide in repeated context, retries, and agent loops.

r/SaaS2d ago

Hey all! I'm currently leading a project at my firm to build a centralized internal platform to analyze tax law documents and case files. Initially, I wanted to host local open-source models (via Ollama on a VPS). However, 7B/8B models just aren't cutting it for the level of accuracy and reasoning our tax practice demands. I’m leaning back toward the standard route: building a clean frontend (considering Chainlit) connected to commercial model APIs (Claude / GPT-4o) backed by document se

r/legaltech2d ago

A quota form that's been ignored for two months is your answer, put a second provider or region behind the first and stop waiting.

r/startups2d ago

yeah the plain english addendum on the support ticket is key, the forms alone dont cut it

r/startups2d ago

I would join the relevant startup program for your stack. All of them have deducted programs. This will give you access to dedicated resources for your team. We where part of Microsofts startup program and got direct access to engineers or whoever we wanted to ask questions. This would probably get you easy access and priority for these types of questions.

r/startups2d ago

When modeling Saas margins for AI features, most engineers I talk to calculate costs using headline per-million token rates from OpenAI or Anthropic pricing pages. That usually leads to two big surprises on the monthly invoice: Output token multipliers: Output tokens are 3x to 5x more expensive than inputs. If your product uses agent loops or reasoning models, output tokens easily end up being 70%+ of your bill. Prompt caching makes or breaks margins: If you have a large system prompt or inject

r/SaaS2d ago

Azure provides quota as per location if i am correct you can use multiple regions and manage as per your requirement...

r/startups2d ago

Everyone talks about how these models are getting closer and closer to OpenAI/Anthropic and how they're much cheaper at API pricing, which is great.But then I compare it to my $200/month subscription - which I believe is how most developers are actually using these - and it actually looks way more expensive from my quick calculations.Has anyone else calculated it? Is there any way to get Kimi K3 or Qwen 3.8 Max at a similar cost to what we're all paying by subscription for Claude or Codex?If not

HN2d ago

You can run any open model on a shared API host via OpenRouter and pin to which host you want to go for the quant/privacy/etc. mix you care about. You can pay them directly if you don't want the OpenRouter overhead - but the convenience of switching, having one invoice, etc. is worth it IMOIt's not closed hosted models vs open local models, it's hosted open models vs local open models where the math doesn't work for local LLMs.The only local inference use-case I can think of is porn generation (

HN3d ago

You mentioned you're moving to Qwen and having to justify the hosting cost.what surprised me was that the hosting argument gets easier once the tune is something you refresh on your own schedule rather than a fixed artifact, since the alternative is redoing this exercise every time the upstream model moves

r/LocalLLaMA3d ago

I pay for Claude Code, Codex, OpenCode Go and lots of subscriptions, and I kept losing track of which limit I was about to hit. Every provider has its own dashboard, its own reset schedule, and its own idea of what "weekly" means. So I built UsageDeck — an open-source desktop app (Windows / macOS / Linux) that puts all of it in one tray panel. What it does Tracks usage limits, reset times, token history and estimated spend across 13 providers: Claude Code, Codex, Cursor, Copilot, Antig

r/SideProject3d ago

One problem that kept coming up while working with AI tools was how quickly things get complicated once you stop using a single model provider. You end up dealing with different API keys, endpoints, configurations, limits, and model-specific behavior. Switching between models for different tasks can become surprisingly tedious. That was the problem behind OfoxAI. We're building it around a unified approach to working with different AI models and coding tools. One of the biggest lessons so fa

r/microsaas3d ago
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AI slop

reddit.com4d ago

infrastructure, cloud, and devops, A lot of this in practice is backend, fullstack and adjacent to (and made necessary by) AI/ML investment.

r/cscareerquestions4d ago

the real fix is to meter the expensive endpoint, not the signup. a burner key hammers whatever costs you money the second it lands, so give free keys a tiny daily budget on that one call and leave the cheap stuff uncapped. real users barely touch it and still get a full trial, the scraper keys get cut off in their first burst. metering one call is way less work than policing signups.

r/microsaas4d ago

OpenAI and Anthropic both have an asynchronous batch processing APIs. This gives a 50% off discount. It would be great if aider could use this as a command line option. If aider also supported running questions over large numbers of files, this would be especially beneficial.

GITHUB4d ago

which identifies potential entries that need to be put into the canonical tracking log In your hypothetical what is the AI looking at to identify potential entries in the risk, change request and key decision logs? Just the unstructured dialogue in the various systems you mentioned (slack, chat, emails, meeting notes, etc.)?

r/projectmanagement4d ago

- Radical rate limiting per IP - block likely bots (Linux user agents) - hard limits for signed up users - block throwaway emails (or only do google signins) - hard limits on AI credits (never ever auto top up) to avoid catastrophic events - for repeat offenders, consider device fingerprinting Goal is just to protect yourself and make it unattractive enough for abuse

r/microsaas4d ago

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r/selfhosted5d ago

Contrarian take from someone who runs an API business: the cheapest fix is usually fewer providers, not a better dashboard. Most APIs these days are OpenAI-compatible, so moving a workflow between them is a base URL and key swap. Consolidate onto one or two primary providers and use separate API keys per team or workflow. One provider's usage page with a per-key breakdown answers 'cost per team or workflow' without building anything, and your volume gets cheaper on the workloads that

r/SaaS5d ago

Parody captions on the legendary Risitas interview. The $14k/mo figure is from real reporting on heavy AI power users - the best customers really can be the most expensive ones to serve. He's still subscribed. He's just waiting for his usage reset. submitted by /u/BuildersReadOnAI [link] [comments]

r/ChatGPT5d ago
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Merge for the IPO, yesssss

reddit.com5d ago

Unit economics. ChatGPT is flat-fee and OpenAI's margin depends on routing you to whatever's cheapest, so per-model metering would cannibalize plus/pro. The thing you're describing already exists though: it's the api + any chat client, you just lose chatgpt's extras (memory, apps, canvas).

r/ChatGPT5d ago

Centralizing it seems worthwhile once you have enough providers and workflows. I'd track spend by team, model, and use case rather than just total usage. That makes it much easier to spot which workflows are actually worth the cost.

r/SaaS5d ago

We’re using the usual mix of OpenAI, Anthropic and a couple tools that call different models underneath. Looking at each provider separately works but it gets hectic when you’re trying to understand cost per team or workflow. I wanna ask if there is a better way to see the spend across providers in one place without needing to build our own internal dashboard. Right now it feels like every provider gives you a different view and none of them really connect. It would also be useful to see which w

r/SaaS5d ago

No. We don't have the knowledge or budget to build a model. We're primarily building the application that wraps the LLMs. Some of the harness, but also leveraging azure foundry for a lot of that too.

r/legaltech5d ago

We're a Microsoft shop and I utilize what azure provides with foundry so that will be part of it. When it comes to which LLM? We're trying to balance cost and capability

r/legaltech5d ago
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reddit.com5d ago

Summary Please consider adding first class BYOK (Bring Your Own Key) and custom model gateway support for the AI features in Diffusion Studio. Use case Many enterprise users already have: Internal image, video, speech, transcription, or multimodal models An OpenAI compatible company gateway Separate gateway endpoints for different capabilities or business units Company managed API keys and authentication policies We would like to use those services directly from Diffusion Studio instead of routi

GITHUB6d ago

15 hours later, my Vercel bill went from $470 to $570. I think I figured it out why. Its a Workflow + AI SDK 7 migrations of migrations that follows me for months, if not almost a year. submitted by /u/ksifoking [link] [comments]

r/SaaS6d ago

Of course I will caveat that I'm not really using a lot of these models for database builds, because tokens be pricey.

r/Notion6d ago

How does the auth flow with Pangolin's token works in harnesses like Codex or Claude Code? 🤔

r/selfhosted7d ago

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r/selfhosted7d ago
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Additional business model and revenue for open ai

community.openai.com7d ago

Thousands of reviews with sentiment plus basic extraction is not a job that needs a frontier model. You'd be paying for reasoning you never use. The cheap tier with real uptime is the small fast models: Gemini Flash Lite, GPT nano, Claude Haiku, DeepSeek. They're within a rounding error of each other on price and any of them handles "positive/negative/neutral plus pull out the product feature mentioned" at about the same accuracy. Three things cut my bill more than model choice

r/SideProject7d ago
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Interesting

reddit.com7d ago

No sarcasm! I genuinely didn't know that! I'm literally changing it right now!!! I'm just excited😅

r/selfhosted7d ago

you're right, that's the real gap. right now it only checks cost on runs that actually finish and ping in, so a loop stuck before the last step, or one racking up small costs across many "successful" runs, wouldn't catch it. No start/end pairing, no usage polling yet. next thing to build is probably a cumulative budget across runs since i already log cost per run. good catch, thanks for actually thinking it through.

r/SideProject8d ago

Not just Claude, we de-slop several other LLMs. But the engineering and thoughtful product building hasn't taken a back seat.

r/alphaandbetausers8d ago

Hi HN, we built an open source model gateway. It's a single place to manage our own self hosted, frontier, and open source models in one place.It’s is rust native, built for concurrency, and implements all the config quirks across models and providers (streaming formats, tool calls, model parameters, rate limits, and different error behavior).The gateway adds under 1 ms for BYOK requests and under 2 ms when Experiential supplies the provider key. It has every major inference provider, and 1000+

HN8d ago

Hey everyone! :waving_hand: I’ve been working on a custom integration that solves a problem that’s been bugging me for a while: voice assistants sending massive entity dumps to LLMs with every single request. The Probl…

FORUM8d ago
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and per token charges!

reddit.com8d ago
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This. The best answer.

reddit.com9d ago

I can't even use the paid models. DeepSeek Flash was giving a lot of errors. Tonight I set up GLM 5.3 Flash, but now it keeps giving errors. On Hermes, the following message appears every time: “⚠️ The model provider failed after retries. I kept raw provider details out of chat; check gateway logs for diagnostics.”

r/LocalLLaMA9d ago

I hit my token limit three times a day on my max subscription - got sick of that and designed this MCP setup to shift some of the coding load to my local Qwen3.8-27B model. I've been iterating on it now for a bit, and thought I'd share it now. This allows you to use Anthropics' models (Opus, etc) for the main model and shift the well-specified work down to local models all within the same session and context. Similar to how you can use sub-agents now in a project. https://github.com/

r/LocalLLaMA9d ago
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for example ollama.com anyapi.ai those have free tiers.

github.com9d ago

Anecdotally, ~$500-1500/month token spend at API OpenAI/Anthropic pricing seems pretty realistic for full-time engineers at companies with "liberal but not unlimited" LLM spend policies.This is of course anecdata. I know plenty of outliers, too. I know a principal engineer who uses many multiples of the number I quoted above. I am sure we also know many people making do with much much smaller budgets as well, via all kinds of well-discussed methods.But, "$500-$1500 per month per full-time develo

HN9d ago

Based on the description, the orchestration (local) uses ACP to control agents (local by default unless you jump through hoops to ACP over network ig), models would be whatever your agents are configured to use?

r/selfhosted9d ago

LLM providers like Openrouter, Anthropic, Google, X X.AI, Ollama Cloud, Local and custom API endpoints are configured. Just needs your API keys to make API calls. https://reddit.com/link/p60znsj/video/qgpia09xnqlh1/player

r/microsaas9d ago

I'm pretty sure ollama has some of their cloud models available for free plans? gemma4:31b, gpt-oss:120b, and a couple others, there is this this repo that says all the free ollama models in the readme So you can set up olama and run the cloud versions of the models, not sure what the token limits are on free though

r/selfhosted9d ago

Check Existing Issues [x] I have searched all existing open AND closed issues and discussions and found none comparable to my request. [x] I have checked whether this request is already implemented on the dev branch or in the latest source. Verify Feature Scope [x] I believe this feature request is appropriately scoped for the Issues section as described above. Problem Description Not a problem Proposed Solution Hi! We’d like to offer this project a free OpenAI compatible API endpoint that can b

GITHUB9d ago

Token calculator for LLM prompts, documents, code, and chat messages. Count tokens locally and estimate OpenAI, Claude, and Gemini API costs. https://token-calculator.net

r/SideProject10d ago

Eh, a heavy multi agent workload with Claude code and I can push a billion tokens in about 25 hours.

r/LocalLLaMA10d ago

That's good to know. Thank you! We're currently using AnyConnect. if I understand correctly, it just uses the capabilities built into the OS?

r/sysadmin10d ago

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