AI Enthusiasts Frustrated by Nvidia Pricing
Users express disappointment and frustration with Nvidia's pricing for AI hardware, particularly LocalLLaMA. Some suggest extreme measures like nationalization to ensure wider access to this technology.
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“None but if someone were to give you free H100 GPUs you'd pay one. Same with free bitcoin.. so it can actually cross the physicial/digital barrier. The point was that all free things aren't necessarily good for the person receiving them.”
“I hope you're right, bud. I want these bastards punished, and that's even with some of my friends working for them.”
“I have a feeling this is targeted as a "get started in our ecosystem, feel the kind of power real compute can bring" play. This is what corporations buy for devs who then turn around and convince the higher ups that "we actually need 3 aisles of this kind of compute". Even if the big labs were tapped out (they're not), F500 companies are just getting started building out. If you need proof, look at structural steel, copper, and power infrastructure orders for the next 5 y”
“As far as you reasonably can. It's go time. I feel like hardware availability and affordability won't recover and the models get bigger and better... I wish I could snag a few but my days of buying are over. Stuck with what I'm stuck with.”
“Problem is the US cannot leave this model, if they do they will lose economic competitiveness against China for example. Is the same with hardware fabrics you want to do, whos gonna pay $2999 for a US processor instead for a Chi a or Taiwan one that costs $500?”
“And the prices!! No one talks about that gap. At what point having AGI if its 100usd input 200usd output”
“The system is so flooded with monopoly money these people see fit to make jokes with billions of dollars”
“Corp speak TL;DR about a year until shutdown and/or major censorship. Thanks for all the fish!”
“People laughed at cars when they first came out. Now you don’t see anyone riding horses to work. Technology moves forward, this is the infancy of it. The models are rapidly progressing, there won’t be a bubble pop.”
“They were probably going to offer $13b and someone genius came up with a way to save $70 million and stop further negotiation”
“This aint tech bros. Tech bros are getting layed off. This is deranged MBA chart go up crowd.”
“I'm sure, yeah. But I don't think he was involved in the decision process or something.”
“Wow crazy he said all the things all the non-doomers here said was the reality while everyone else cried saying open source is dead and evil capitalism is going to kill local/huggingface because muh greed of a hardware vendor taking it. If there was going to be a corporate buy out of huggingface nvidia was the best outcome. Please doomers, download more betterer weights into the wet gpu in those skulls of yours.”
“A rising tide lifts all ships, and they already have the biggest ship. Helping raise demand is good for their business. Here's one way to look at it: Chips are in short supply. If they (try to) cripple the ability for people to run open weight models, not only will it fail because this is open source, but since people have a hard enough time buying their chips since they are probably sold out for years, demand would go down because less people can run models efficiently. It's better for”
“I mean, there is a clear conflict of interest and it's pretty important to Nvidia's strategy to maintain their near monopoly on software via CUDA. I think for sure Gerganov must know that they may turn out to be on shaky ground. But he also knows that if he doesn't have another option right now, making a statement about staying hardware agnostic not only might be important in terms of the PR for the project, but also may help with the Nvidia situation somewhat. Because now that it is”
“They are already paying a price for their actions, but I don't think they have any intention of stopping, they'll say we can't let China win the AI race... I would bet money on this if helping/saving OpenAI became necessary”
they are so richt they are playing with money. gives me the ick ngl
“And how does the price tag get justified to shareholders? It needs a ROI… things will change. Hardware agnostic? Again… how is it helping shareholder value to support (and improve!) a competitor’s offering? It only makes sense in so much as it prevents a monopoly, and we’re no where near close to that.”
“Yup. Almost as if Lisa does her best to stay out of her cousin's way. I am not sure why shareholders arent asking questions. Literarily all they have to do is hire a bunch of devs to write kernels for popular engines.”
“Not really. What benefits Nvidia is data centers having a monopoly on inference so they can keep them on GPU upgrade cycles, and there is no bigger threat to hyperscalers than everyone simply using old Nvidia hardware instead of paying tokens in perpetuity. This is the same company that just gated a worse DLSS behind a $4k GPU instead of just giving every consumer firmware for their several-year-old card. Consumers don’t factor into the picture anymore.”
Sometimes its only a few months. People's memories are short.
“Link: https://x.com/ggerganov/status/2095897173376618881 submitted by /u/CombinationKitchen76 [link] [comments]”
“Outside of reddit, this is just the default thinking for most rationally minded people. I know it sucks being in the minority, but it just be how it be. The experiment has already concluded: you're far better off in a country that can produce billionaires than a country that cannot, and every single virtue-signaling redditor complaining about it would never actually move to these places. Europe's economy has flatlined in growth and nobody wants to start businesses in Europe, and the peop”
“This was such a dumb purchase. Like the stuff was cool 6 months ago and in this era of AI this was like the medieval.”
“Checked the 8-K hoping for an expected closing date of December 9 at precisely 3:03 AM. They gave us "first half of 2027." No respect for the bit. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1045810/000104581026000078/nvda-20260902.htm”
“Would you be willing to start one and run it? I might, but honestly, I'm not sure I would resist a 12 BILLION dollar payout if someone like nvidia wanted to buy it. Think of all the good you could do in the world with that kind of money.”
“It’s a healthy thing for a community to call out propaganda when they see it. Being excited by the utility and potential of a product doesn’t mean you have to drink the kool-aid.”
“I mean doesn't Alibaba release tons of powerful open source models, whereas Nvidia loves proprietary software? I'm not saying there shouldn't be an alternative, but I do think there is a difference in philosophy.”
“This, more likely. I don't know many people outside of AI folks who are buying new GPUs right now. The local St. Louis store has shelves full of every model of GPU from Nvidia, AMD, and Intel, including all the high memory variants.”
“we are all up to a good laugh from an individual trying to compel the biggest company in the planet to do something using the same system that fails to remove a child rapist from office”
That was my first thought. Nvidia has 42k, and it's Nvidia. AMD has 31k.
“I just gave up on owning any local GPU-based infra for LLM. Even the low end stuff like mini PCs jumped in price last evening. Sucks to not have enough money and late to buying GPUs. Will just continue looking for local classifieds stuff and eBay deals until this mania blows over (if it ever does)”
“Robinson-Patman only reaches purchasers who compete with each other at the same level of distribution. A hyperscaler buying DRAM for internal use isn't competing with a spot buyer, so the price gap alone doesn't get there.”
“This has become a spamfest of rapacious guys trying to take advantage of what may be real - or not. Let's stop the bloodbath.”
“This would be price discrimination, which falls under the Clayton Act. It shall be unlawful for any person engaged in commerce, in the course of such commerce, either directly or indirectly, to discriminate in price between different purchasers of commodities of like grade and quality... where the effect of such discrimination may be substantially to lessen competition or tend to create a monopoly in any line of commerce, or to injure, destroy, or prevent competition with any person who either g”
“It's just demand. Supply is not a factor because nobody else produces gpus that support the current model ecosystem like nvidia does. You can get these gpus anywhere. My local microcenter sells ~15 rtx pro 6000's a week and they restock constantly. If you want one you can get it, and people are buying”
“I think the world will lose patience, and eventually start looking for some evidence. The current admin has made large and conspicuous steps to nationalize the american tech sector, even in just the last year. So it would be an interesting process to see unfold. Nice try to you, too, though.”
“Or you are? Go ahead and find me a law in the US that says Nvidia isn't free to adjust prices against supply and demand.”
“Anti-trust laws very much do care how a company obtained its market share. They are designed to break up or punish companies that engage in anti-competitive behavior, like buying out all competitors. Nvidia, to my knowledge, has obtained its market share based on simply having a better GPU than anyone else, which is fair play. The solution to Nvidia's dominance is for other companies to innovate and produce better products and for consumers to vote against Nvidia with their wallets. I person”
“Can’t price fixing when you’re the only joint in town selling GPUs running on cuda.”
“Price fixing might not be the right term for this scenario as most people would associate that term with a single product's price. However, the supply chain can be squeezed by demand and also by being indifferent to it. The only few companies that are capable of meeting this demand aren't even bothered. Perhaps there are valid geopolitical reasons but there seems to be a financial reason too. Why bother producing more if you can make the same profit with what you can produce now? Nobody”
“Big difference there. That is China looking to undercut America’s previously perceived lead on LLM training. It also starts to move traffic into Chinese servers. Both countries are 100% using all of your data for training. In the realm of hardware, there is no need for China to stabilize global ram prices. They just need all of the servers within their own borders. Sure there’s a lot of money to be made, but that’s exactly why they’re not going to race to crash the market. They’re just going to”
“Vertical price fixing involves members of the supply chain that agree to raise, lower or stabilize prices.”
“Why are you so emotional ? Show us on the doll where the Ram manufacturers hurt you.”
“They are not mutually exclusive. There is of course a supply and demand issue driving up prices. But part of that is because we have only 3 players who have reasons to not over supply and risk driving prices down like as has happened in the past. In other words it’s not operating like a competitive free market. This doesn’t negate the impact of AI companies buying up supply but adds another angle. It also doesn’t require active collusion. One thing to note is that CXMT is going to totally disrup”
“Yep, I’m sure Nvidia would stop making cards if the RAM cost more. Nvidia has done what they do in the energy sector all the time to ensure price stability - signing a long term contract at a set price. There’s nothing in that agreement which would force them to then charge as much as they do, thus no “price fixing” as you’re claiming. They’ve simply ensured a set cost for their materials over the long term and are charging what the ridiculous market demands We can all use AI, but not all use ou”
“Interesting. So they basically manipulate the Apple market. Apple prices did not change as much when OpenAI and Nvidia collaporated to manipulate the RAM market - that's because apple already sold their hardware 5x the normal price and also buy in large longterm quantities, they probably do not feel any hike. So how do you fix that? Buy their stuff creating a Mac scarcity, forcing higher prices. That bubble is being pumped and pumped as long as it lasts.”