Legal AI tools lack value, users question Harvey and Legora
12 posts across 3 communities in the last 30 days; 75% from r/legaltech.
“Why are these better than Claude? Concrete example [re: Harvey vs Legora]”
“Legora and Harvey are largely the same, and both suffer from the same fundamental issue: Claude. Claude has degraded to the point where it is actually useless. It cannot follow instructions, it cannot see the big picture, and it is a terrible writer. It is good at summarizing…”
“Anyone who has used Astra 6 or Claude Fable understands how much better these products are. Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction. I’m unable to…”
Multiple posts express skepticism about the value of legal AI tools. Users are questioning whether products like Harvey and Legora are simply generic AI wrappers.
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“Both ChatGPT and Claude are better than Legora and Harvey. The only reason Legora and Harvey exist are: (1) privacy; (2) document upload limits. [re: Harvey vs Legora]”
“Anyone who has used Astra 6 or Claude Fable understands how much better these products are. Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction. I’m unable to effectively do my job under the timelines that the client is requesting with these tools. And the clients are relying on more efficient and capable technology, and they expect us to match that level. submitted by”
“Which product is better? Does it just come down to Harvey slightly more adapted for US and Legora for EU? Looking at both for a EU use case submitted by /u/cloudcastl [link] [comments]”
“Claude is a great option if you didn't want to invest in a software package (I personally like PracticeMaster and Netdocuments). If you are switching from a Mac, look into the Office Suite with Co-Pilot. You could integrate Claude into your system to build out the areas you don't have. Office Suite offers Bookings, Teams, Outlook, and it would work with OneDrive. My advice is keep it simple and be realistic about how much time you want to spend building out your own system. [re: Solo pri”
“Lol well convince other people why they rather pay you , who uses Gemini/openai or Claude, when they can pay them directly and do so much more than this simple stuff [re: Day 5 of building Portfolio Sets: working on the Resume Tailor]”
“What are you doing with Claude Legal currently?? [re: In-house folks using Wordsmith AI, GC AI or LegalOn: what do you wish you'd known about these tools before buying?]”
“I use Claude Legal w our normal enterprise plan. I can’t get budget for anything else & it does the trick. [re: In-house folks using Wordsmith AI, GC AI or LegalOn: what do you wish you'd known about these tools before buying?]”
“I have been hearing mixed opinions from my friends and want general feedback. While it cites cases for the proposition asked for, some of my friends say the legal analysis is flawed. This results in citing cases that do not actually support your proposition exactly. But it gives a good starting point. What has been your experience so far? How dependable is harvey for legal research (litigation) tasks? submitted by /u/EmmiGarcia [link] [comments]”
“Hi all, how has your experience been using ai products such as harvey , legora etc ? What do you think it lacks ? what makes you use it /not use ? I am thinking to build something which can help independent lawyers/small law firms , so if you have any requirement please DM ,happy to chat . submitted by /u/Unusual-Summer2333 [link] [comments]”
“How is it different than Harvey and Legora ?? And wasn't Harvey supposed to be OPENAI partner ??”
“Legora and Harvey are largely the same, and both suffer from the same fundamental issue: Claude. Claude has degraded to the point where it is actually useless. It cannot follow instructions, it cannot see the big picture, and it is a terrible writer. It is good at summarizing stuff and organizing a large sandbox of information. However, once you ask it to help you think through a problem it becomes useless to the point of being harmful.”
“You’re mixing up two different things. An individual on a free Claude account is not the same as a lawyer using Claude for Work. Consumer terms, no DPA, different logging, different training rules. That’s the version where “they log everything and it might not be privileged” actually has some bite. A firm on Team or Enterprise signs a data processing addendum. Anthropic is a vendor processing the firm’s data under contract. They don’t train on that content by default. That’s the same basic struc”
“I’m a lawyer in England. I have set up Claude with detailed custom instructions, a list of tier 1 sources that are England only, and detailed instructions to ignore any source that doesn’t apply to England only. It works very well for me, so I’m not seeing where Astra for Law improves anything for me?”
“Actually I build a simple law tool based on LLM The answer can take 2-4 minutes to show up, I never see Harvey/Legora in real use so I'm wondering about my response time. With Harvey/Legora/Other big Ai name, the answer is instant ? How long are you willing to wait for a response ? Do you prefer a short response and reasking if necessary or an answer Wall of text ? submitted by /u/LoveInTheFarm [link] [comments]”
“How much are firms paying for Harvey and Legora. Are they similar prices or is one markedly cheaper?”
“Interesting take. We're a mid-size boutique/niche practice area and doing Harvey, Legora trials etc. Hard core tech using folks look at Harvey like it was a Lego Playland version of AI. We thought the Vault was cool and coded our own internal version bound to specific clients and not cross fertilized. MCPs to CoCounsel, CourtListener, Descrybe, Midpage, and Ding Duff allow us to take a typical $3-5M budget middling complex lit matter and have maybe half to 1/3 of that in billable hours and t”
“Both companies overspend on existing models to make tools that anyone with a Claude account could make. Claude even has the same plugins. Both companies’ days are numbered.”
“Yes, but they both suck. The enterprise/business plan of a frontier model, particularly Claude or ChatGPT, is much better.”
“Yeah honestly same experience here, I've trained my own Claude setup over time and it covers most of what I need day to day. Where I still reach for something extra is when I actually need a citation or need to query against a real database instead of just trusting the model's memory. For me that's IP work specifically, so I use Patsnap's MCP for patent and literature search when I need something grounded rather than just a well phrased guess.”
“Yes - Claude doesn't touch what SpellBook can do. ,Given that cost is a concern for OP, Claude in Word may be a reasonable substitute given the constraints. Claude in Word may be a reasonable substitute given the constraints. lI just don't want lawyers who can pay for SpellBook to think they should just use Claude in Word. It doesn't touch what SpellBook can do. Claude within Word won't come close to replicating SpellBook's functionality. I am not a vendor or reseller with th”
“Anyone work at those orgs and have experience there? Any thoughts? Their growth is crazy but there’s all this talk of them being AI wrappers and not having a moat or tam to justify their valuations. submitted by /u/uzzy-b [link] [comments]”
“Right? Thank you. I mean, these guys were so busy paying for special AI legal system, they didn't realize that Claude Fable 5, with Cowork, set up like Claude for Legal - it's a game changer. There's GenAI for law, then there's Claude Fable 5. After my experience, I want to work in legal tech. I'm also interested in Legal Tech in countries in Africa, where some are further along in getting digital systems set up, like a PACER equivalent in Nigeria. My story- https://dusoma.co”
“Thanks for sharing this. I am currently looking at a few legal ai tools. Apart from the points you mentioned, how did you find Harvey and Legora for core legal work ? Have seen lot of content about both and recently trialed Lucio ai as well which I liked but I want to make the right decision. Would really appreciate hearing any pros/cons you noticed with Harvey/Legora.”
“That's an opinion from the US copyright office, not a law or a decision made in court. I think it remains to be seen to what extent using generative AI affects the practical application of copyright in larger projects: the office holds that the human-contributed parts still qualify for copyright, and I think there are a variety of possible interpretations and arguments that could effectively allow a largely AI-generated codebase to still be protected by copyright, even if technically big section”
“Claude Team is, I believe, fine for rollout to the whole team. It is significantly cheaper than Harvey and gets you 80% of the way, if not further. As others have said, Claude is just a harness/wrapper.”
“For those who have tried both, is there any real difference to these? I have personally gravitated toward Harvey but some of my coworkers prefer Legora. When I asked Harvey and Legora the same research question they were basically the same answers. Also had them create the same review table and I slightly preferred Harvey because it had clearer yes/no categories but really they seemed the same. Are there any huge differences I should know about like number of docs they can analyze at once or any”
“I work at a large firm and we use Filevine’s LOIS as a standalone tool comparable to Harvey, and we were previous Harvey users and I will say it has been extremely impressive and more useful for us than Harvey”
“Is that the motivation behind their new model? submitted by /u/aneek-Lafleche [link] [comments]”
“The laymen here keep pushing Legora, Harvey, etc. I think the way to go is MCP, but am I missing anything, any experience here? submitted by /u/MMuter [link] [comments]”
“Youre still not getting this... You’re still conflating frontier-model capability with the guarantees a legal product has to deliver . This isn’t about ease of use. Harvey and Legora command enormous 500m ARR because firms are buying leverage they can actually deploy across legal work : privacy, matter-level authorisation, provenance, verification, auditability, reproducible workflows, governance and trusted artefacts! If they work on doc XYZ they need to know where, from whom, and lock that dow”